Richest wreck in the World...?

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1. Phil Gleason 19/05/2016

So Patrick, What are these values from your previous statement? days traveled from Malacca, distance from shore, and the depth in which she sank

2. treasures (link) 28/03/2016

Phil, from which country are you from ?
If it is not in Indonesia, it can only be in Malysia. Any wreck in Malaysian waters is also protected and the law is even stronger than in Indonesia. The whole Asian region is already blocked for "shipwreck/treasure hunting", unless you are willing to work illegally and face possible prosecution if caught ! That is the true situation besides all the stories of shipwrecks, treasures and riches you can dream of...

3. Phil 28/03/2016

It's not in Indonesia so we're all right there

4. Pascal 26/03/2016

Hi Phil, did you know that underwater treasure hunting in Indonesia is totally closed for several years now?

5. Phil 26/03/2016

I have found a convincing image of a shipwreck off NE coast of Sumatra.
250 ft off shore the ship appears in two pieces 40-50 ft apart and appears to be approx 160 ft long. Wondering if you have ever made contact with actual treasure hunters? I'm looking for someone w means to at least take a real scuba look. It appears to be an easy dive.

Contact me if you have any interest.

Thank you

Phil

6. Kim Temple 03/12/2013

Thanks for posting this info on this truely fascinating shipwreck... Love it! Wish I could accompany any further exploration to find her..., but keep this site updated with any future attempts to locate her... If she wants to be found, she will, but maybe her story belongs a mystery... Thanks!

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8. Auvrey Wibowo 22/09/2013

I am citizen of Indonesia is ready to help if there is an interest to explore the area back in the store who allegedly referred to the shipwreck site. (auvreywibowo@yahoo.com)

9. treasures (link) 30/06/2012

Many people and teams are still looking for her... Or at least talking about looking for her...!!!

10. Edgar (Jose Moreira) Prates 11/07/2011

Hi Dinda,
The book is well known, it is written in old Portuguese - and translated few centuries afterwards. Author: Joao de Barros Title: "Asia Portuguesa" -, and there are some other chronicles at museum Torre do Tombo in Lisbon. These writings also describe another HUGE shipwreck which got lost in time, a Portuguese ship that departed Makassar (Indonesia) in direction to Macao (China) in the 17th Century. After the Dutch were able to defeat the Portuguese in Malacca, some of the Aristocracy fled to Makassar - the main Christian center of Indonesia, until today - and re-established there. A certain Portuguese woman was the wife of the rich Sultan of Makassar and she dicided to send all remaining Portuguese treasures of Malacca and other richnesses to Macao - but a violent storm sunk that ship, it is believed its' cargo was extrenely valuable.

Read History: once the Portuguese were under Spanish domination 1580-1640 after the death of Portuguese King in a battle in North of Africa, 60% of Portuguese vessels were lost due to bad maintenance and fights with Spain's enemies, Netherlands and England - as the Portuguese were forced to be incporporated in Spanish armada. Due to that fact, during those 60 years, most of the Portuguese Empire in Asia was lost, and once Portuguese came back in 1640, after defeating the Spanish rule, it was too late to re-conquer all that was lost.

Check Malacca, Makassar, Macao and Goa. Between these routes there are awesome treasures sunk in the seas.

Cheers.

prince.of.portugal@gmail.com

11. ank 10/06/2011

hello!

we are group of treasure hunters, and finally found resource to get flor de la mar, if anyone would like to help us in this challenge contact at zelfred@hotmail.com

12. dinda 01/06/2011

hi jose, where did you find all that facts about flor del mar? what's the name of the text? was that Albuquerque's log book or sumthin? i'm just curious

muito obrigado

13. Jose Moreira 17/05/2011

I am Portuguese. I live in Malacca. I have read the original description written in Portuguese by Albuquerque. In fact I read carefully all reports by Marx, and the Indonesian guy and even one British which came to Malacca in the year 2000 to say he nows where the shipwreck is. Well... No one found it. Albuquerque was quite detailed and even signalized the site in a map. There is definitely something. In january 1512 Flor de la Mar got stuck near the beach, then the locals got most of it, and that explains why the kingdom of Aceh got so rich in the years that followed - leading to a successful alliance with Johor and the Dutch in defeating Portuguese Malacca 130 years later, in 1641. Regardless of the fact natives really got hands on most of the treasures, there is a question: where are the remains of the ship itself, if any left ? Gold is heavy, must be underneath the heaviest parts of the shipwreck...

14. DAHLAN 13/04/2011

I got site of wrecks with blue n white porcelain, but don't know what to do with it. got some pieces of porcelain off from the wreck.I'M SERIOUS.Need advice.My e-mail address dahlan.diving@yahoo.com

15. Patrick 08/02/2011

Here is a quote from the eyewitness account.

The permission granted, I left with the Captain General on the twentieth of January aboard the ship Flordimare., and two other ships were with us called Insobrecas " of the King, and a junk from among those we had seízed which he took to Indía to show. And so we set course, sailing in much bad weather, for the twentieth day of December was already late for leaving,. Malacca for India. Patrick

16. Patrick 08/02/2011

Actually the Frol de la mar sank well offshore and sank on January 26th or the wee morning hours of the 27th 1512, I know this because i have an eyewitness account, it gives days traveled from Malacca, distance from shore, and the depth in which she sank, it is also not "Flor do mar" its "Frol de la mar" Albuquerque says so himself.

17. Treasures 16/01/2011

After the conquest of Malacca Albuquerque remained in the city until late 1511, preparing its defenses against any Malay counter attack... In 1512 he sailed for the coast of Malabar. On the voyage, a violent storm arose, Albuquerque's vessel, the Flor do Mar, which carried the treasure he had amassed in his conquests, was wrecked, and he himself barely escaped with his life.... (see http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Afonso_de_Albuquerque)

...The ship and its location has been the cause of controversy, which states that the dispute with Indonesia Malaysia the salvage of the Strait. Robert Marx, an American treasure hunter is said to have spent 20 million dollars in the project to bring to the surface the riches of the wreck. According to his statements: "its the richest vessel ever lost at sea, with its hold loaded with 200 coffers of precious stones, diamonds from the small half-inch size to the size of a man's fist." Today, in Malacca, a replica of Frol de la mar houses the city's Sea Maritime Museum.... (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frol_de_la_mar)

18. Patrick 16/01/2011

The Frol De La mar did not sink at the beach in a muddy bottom and it did not sink in 1511, it sank in January of 1512, i researched this wreck on and off for 9 yrs, i have an Italian eyewitness account "someone who was onboard when it went down" its very revealing? in all probability most of the cargo is gone BUT there would be some remaining because the vessel broke up and im sure spilled contents onto the bottom, i was part of the 1991 salvage team and do know just a little about this wreck, its a really fantastic story of portuguese conquests in south east asia and the stories of the treasure are fantastic? they ferried treasure in small boats to the Frol for 3 days and left costly porcelain just laying around because there was no room for it, a truly incredible story, as with any other treasure hunt its going to be costly and a very speculative venture to bring this saga to an end.
Patrick

19. Treasures 29/11/2010

Hi Eleanor,

In these times of European conquests, the Portuguese fleet of Alfonso de Albuquerque was in the region to impose its supremacy on the kingdom of Malacca... The rest is in the post

Several teams have tried to locate her remains since her wrecking and nowadays, another one is still actively interested to find the wreck, or what it is left of her. Do you want to have a try also ? Cheers

20. eleanor 29/11/2010

hi, i was just wandering what the ship was made from and why she was in the Malacca's and where she sunk?

if you could answer those questions for me that would be great.

thank you
eleanor

21. John Leonard 24/10/2010

Love Treasure Quest! Just the thought of being part of the search, Just an old electrician with dreams.

22. K.Sundara Murthy 15/07/2010

Dear Treasure hunters and funders,pse call me in for any of these hunting especially ships .I did love to assit in anyway for the sucess of the mission.I`m a Malaysian retired from the Royal Malaysian Air Force.

23. Mary Lou 09/07/2010

I would love to go on treasure hunts. I have always been interested in doing this,in the ocean or on land. Maybe someday I will discover lost treasure!

24. King Tim The Great Claybrooks 03/05/2010

FLOR DE LA MAR is really a waste of time it says that it was on a beach and sank to the muddy bottom. Come on people them and the locals got all the treasure out that day or the next days after the wreck. And they just fabricated this story to cover up their greed from the king although the hurricane or typhoon probably did happen. But I got a idea on Cocos Island and the treasures of Lima I had a revelation of sorts. It says we buried in the red sand. I am not the smartest person in the world but I don't think Cocos island has red earth or sand. So my theory is that it was a different island that was being referred to. I think people use the conception of Cocos island because it the largest known island a shorter distance in the pacific from Costa Rica. I think we are all focused on the wrong island. Although undoubtedly there are other treasures buried there. But my overall theory is you find a island in the pacific that has red earth or sand as described then you will find the treasure of Lima.

25. Goutham 26/04/2010

I need to collect more data regarding this wreck...
Since this ship was wreck a 500 years ago, definitely its exact location will be changed to some-where else...
I gonna figure-out what changes happen to the earth past 500 years. If we are able to find the exact or approximate location there will be no difficult for us to search in muddy water...
I will love to help you if you are going to make crew to for searching this lost ship...
In from India. You can contact me using this email address...
rapol.goutham at gmail . com

26. kels & kat 09/12/2009

this stuff is so kool i love it

27. bilal (link) 14/11/2009

they did find but captain dont want to

28. Panioty 09/09/2009

Lets Assume - you are the sole survivor of the fateful ship.

-Would you point people in the direction of the vessel ?
-You will try to get everyone to search in some other place /country / locality..

This definitely wreck is in someplace else or would be found by now .. we have the technology and means to do it for the past 50 years.

If someone is serious to find it I think you would need my help.
(panioty at rediffmail com)

29. Radhika Ranjith 10/06/2009

Fascinating...wish i could be there too

30. ROCCO T MASTANTONIO JR (link) 01/05/2009

TO ROBERT F MARX OR ANY TREASURE HUNTER LOOKING FOR THE FLOR DO MAR. I AM A 20 YEAR MACHINTS,WITH A GOOD IDEA TO SALVAGE IN THE FAST CURRENT,LOW VISSIBLITY,AND MUDDY BOTTOM.SQUARE 1/2 PLATE STEEL BOX 80 FOOT SQUARE BY 80 FOOT LONG.4 EYELETS ON ALL FOR CORNERS.ATTACHED BY CABLES TO A CENTRAL POINT,HOISTED FOR SHIP OR BARGE WITH A CRANE.ON ALL FORE SIDES OF SQUARE.ATTACH SPEACIAL LEVELS TO KEEP IT LEVEL,LOWER MY STEEL BOX OVER TEST SITE,IN MUD AND SAND.AIR LIFT CONTENTS INTO YOUR CATCH BOXES.AIRLIFT LEVEL TO A DEPTH OF 65 FEET TO 70 FEET,KEEPING STEEL BOX STRIGHT AND LEVEL.AS CONTENTS OF MUD,SAND,ROCK,ETC ARE AIRLIFTED METAL BOX DECENDS AND SAND AND ROCK AND MUD ARE KEEPED OUT.IF MY IDEA SOUNDS CRAZY CONTACT ME.I LIVE IN MIAMI FLORIDA,IAM 47 YEARS OLD.I WILL HELP YOU RECOVER THIS SHIPWREAK IF GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY THANKS FOR LISTENING TO ME.THIS IS MY DREAM SHIP AND THE ONLY ONE I AM INTERESTED IN SLAVAGEING IN THE WORLD. WRITE ME IF YOU THINK MY IDEA HAS MERIT. ROCCO T MASTANTONIO JR 6882 SW 148TH AVE.MIAMI FLORIDA,33193 PS IAM HONEST AND LOYAL AND A CHRISTAN.GODS LUCK TO US ALL.

31. Marlon Padayachee 29/04/2009

i wanna be part of that team

32. Prashanth 03/04/2009

Love to be the part of the discovery

33. Clayton Van March 24/02/2009

This is interesting. It would be fantastic if they did find the wreck, but I doubt the riches would be as shiny as before. Hehe.

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